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  Billions of dead, possibly killed by divine radiation, all of whom will need to be buried... Gerrit Losch predicts the future!

  by cedars in

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  i've finally turned my attentions away from anthony morris iii (just for the time being!

  ) and done a video about another governing body member... gerrit losch.. in this video, taken from a 2008 talk (given in sydney, australia), gerrit gives us his grim predictions for the future.... .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4bl_hzhjzm.

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  Christ Alone

  I think you stumbled on some new light on new system cleanup, perfect1!!!!

  The faithful and discreet zombie:

  
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  ...The WBT$ Governing Popes...

  by OUTLAW in

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  for a while now... i have been calling the wbt$ governing body... the wbt$ governing popes... if you go to google and type in... watchtower governing popes... then go to "images"... this is one of the photo`s that comes up... .

  do you think the wbt$ will send me... a thank you note... for making their wbt$ governing popes famous?...

  ........................ ...outlaw.

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  Gotta add ol' Sanderson to that photo.
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  Billions of dead, possibly killed by divine radiation, all of whom will need to be buried... Gerrit Losch predicts the future!

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've finally turned my attentions away from anthony morris iii (just for the time being!

  ) and done a video about another governing body member... gerrit losch.. in this video, taken from a 2008 talk (given in sydney, australia), gerrit gives us his grim predictions for the future.... .

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4bl_hzhjzm.

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  Christ Alone

  Good point elderelite.

  Quarterback said: Why would God perform such a massive killing spree, and select only a few people to clean up the mess? It doesn't make sense.

  I was thinking the same. I'm not a math guy, but if Armageddon came and there were over 7 billion dead and only 7 million JWs...how many bodies would each person have to bury to clean up? Keep in mind that this would include children that are in the new system too. Is that 1000 bodies per person? Did I do the math right?

  Subtract the children that are baptized JWs...perhaps 1500 per person? How long would it take to bury 1500 people by yourself? Where are these people going to be buried?

  I guess this is why Ciro Alucino said that "anti matter" would be used to dispose of the bodies.
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  Have you met anyone on the Governing Body?

  by Christ Alone in

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  i posted on another thread about a couple of my experiences of meeting the governing body while i was in brooklyn.

  i wanted to see if anyone else had any experiences along these same lines.

  i met most of the ones that were current during the 2001-2003 years.

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  The way God speaks to these men is very vague and has not been talked about much. Basically they believe that God's holy spirit (small h small s) guides them. This is not done with actual words. They believe that the holy spirit guides their hearts into what they teach. So if they sit down and do some "research" on a new article, the holy spirit will somehow guide them to write the correct things. If they are wrong, well then it wasn't the holy spirit that guided that particular view, it was their own faulty hearts.

  Here are a few quotes so can see a bit into how they think it works. This was taken from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/197537/1/How-does-GOVERNING-BODY-receive-NEW-LIGHT:

  "Doing God's Will" Brochure (1986), Pages 26-27:

  The Governing Body supervises what the Society publishes. What is written is based on observing the spiritual needs of the flock and is the result of prayerful and thorough study and research into God’s Word. As these men continue to study the Bible and observe the progressive outworking of God’s purposes, the fulfillment of prophecy in world events, and the situation of God’s people in the world, they may at times find it necessary to make enlightened adjustments in the understanding of some teachings. In this way, knowledge of truth becomes ever more abundant.—Psalm 97:11; Proverbs 4:18; Daniel 12:4.

  Proclaimers Book (1993), Pages 143-146:

  How did Brother Russell view his own role? Did he claim some special revelation from God? In the Watch Tower of July 15, 1906 (page 229), Russell humbly replied: “No, dear friends, I claim nothing of superiority, nor supernatural power, dignity or authority; nor do I aspire to exalt myself in the estimation of my brethren of the household of faith, except in the sense that the Master urged it, saying, ‘Let him who would be great among you be your servant.’ (Matt. 20:27.) . . . The truths I present, as God’s mouthpiece, were not revealed in visions or dreams, nor by God’s audible voice, nor all at once, but gradually . . . Neither is this clear unfolding of truth due to any human ingenuity or acuteness of perception, but to the simple fact that God’s due time has come; and if I did not speak, and no other agent could be found, the very stones would cry out.”

  The Watchtower, August 1st, 1985, Page 31:

  Questions From Readers

  · How does the holy spirit work along with the modern-day Governing Body in the appointment of elders?

  The apostle Paul told Christian elders from Ephesus: “Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed you overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own Son.”—Acts 20:28.

  Paul did not explain in detail how God’s spirit functioned in such appointments. However, we can gain insight from what occurred when the first-century governing body considered a question concerning circumcision. In summarizing their conclusion, they wrote: “For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you, except these necessary things.” (Acts 15:28) How did God’s spirit, his impersonal active force, contribute to the binding decision reached at that time?

  Acts chapter 15 shows that first Paul and Barnabas outlined the question. Then a discussion took place. The apostle Peter related what had led up to baptism of the uncircumcised Gentile Cornelius and his household. Peter explained that ‘God bore witness by giving them the holy spirit, just as he did to us also.’ (Acts 15:7, 8; 10:9-48) Next Paul and Barnabas ‘related the many signs and portents that God did through them among the nations.’ (Acts 15:12) Thus, by its operation on Peter, Cornelius, Paul, and Barnabas, the holy spirit indicated that Gentiles did not need to be circumcised.

  Yet there were additional operations of the spirit involved in that decision reached by the governing body. We can assume that they had asked for the help of the spirit on their deliberations. Such help may have moved the disciple James to recall the prophecy at Amos 9:11, 12, and to see its application. That prophecy had, of course, been written under the inspiration of the holy spirit. (Acts 15:13-20) Furthermore, “the apostles and older men in Jerusalem” who made up the governing body were Christians who were anointed with holy spirit and who manifested its operation in their lives, such as by producing its fruits.—Acts 15:2; Romans 8:14-17; 1 Corinthians 7:40; Galatians 5:22, 23.

  So without there being some audible directive from heaven on the circumcision question, those of the governing body could accurately say that “the holy spirit” had led to their decision.

  It is similar with the appointment of Christian men to be elders, or overseers, in the congregations today. Periodically a group of elders (likely including a traveling overseer of the Society) meet to consider recommending brothers for appointment as overseers. Those in the group have themselves been appointed as elders and they manifest in their lives that they have the spirit. Their discussion is opened with prayer for the spirit’s guidance. Then, during the meeting, they analyze whether each brother being considered measures up to the qualifications for elders set out in the Bible, which have been recorded under the direction of holy spirit. (1 Timothy 3:2-7; Titus 1:5-9) They also consider whether the brother evidences in his manner of life that he is “full of spirit and wisdom.” (Acts 6:3) If they agree that he is of that sort and meets the qualifications to a reasonable degree, their recommendation is forwarded to the spirit-designated Governing Body or its chosen representatives. Later the congregation may be informed that the brother has been appointed.

  Understandably, the appointed elder is still imperfect and may have limitations. But the apostles were imperfect, both before Jesus chose them and later when they served on the governing body. (Luke 9:46, 54; 22:54-62; Galatians 2:11-14) They certainly did, though, have God’s spirit and were appointed under its guidance. Comparably, brothers and sisters can be confident that ‘the holy spirit has appointed the overseers, to shepherd the congregation.’ (Acts 20:28) It is regarding such men that the counsel is given: “Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out imitate their faith.”—Hebrews 13:7.
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  Theocratic War - Jehovah's Witnesses and Lies

  by Christ Alone in

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  here is a speech given by fred franz in 1955 where he encourages those listeners that it is ok to lie to protect the organization.

  it is left open ended so that anything that could be preceived as a threat towards the beliefs and concepts of the organization can be lied about.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtyybo1kayo&feature=related.

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  Christ Alone

  Franz was such a joke. Notice the way he rolls his tongue on certain words like "thrust" THRRRRRRUST around the 3:40 mark.
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  Theocratic War - Jehovah's Witnesses and Lies

  by Christ Alone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  here is a speech given by fred franz in 1955 where he encourages those listeners that it is ok to lie to protect the organization.

  it is left open ended so that anything that could be preceived as a threat towards the beliefs and concepts of the organization can be lied about.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtyybo1kayo&feature=related.

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  Christ Alone

  Here is a speech given by Fred Franz in 1955 where he encourages those listeners that it is ok to lie to protect the organization. It is left open ended so that anything that could be preceived as a threat towards the beliefs and concepts of the organization can be lied about.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtyYBO1kaYo&feature=related
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  Have you met anyone on the Governing Body?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted on another thread about a couple of my experiences of meeting the governing body while i was in brooklyn.

  i wanted to see if anyone else had any experiences along these same lines.

  i met most of the ones that were current during the 2001-2003 years.

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  Christ Alone

  Here is a talk by Dan Sydlik. You can tell he's a nice guy. I imagine this is the sort of talk Ray would have given while he was "in".

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnI2DBI39RI
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  Ray Franz - As a Jehovah's Witness

  by Christ Alone in

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  does anyone have anything that ray franz did while he was a jw?

  any articles that he wrote?

  any talks that were recorded?

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  Does anyone have anything that Ray Franz did while he was a JW? Any articles that he wrote? Any talks that were recorded? I just thought it would be interesting to hear how he spoke while he was still a JW.
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  Have you met anyone on the Governing Body?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted on another thread about a couple of my experiences of meeting the governing body while i was in brooklyn.

  i wanted to see if anyone else had any experiences along these same lines.

  i met most of the ones that were current during the 2001-2003 years.

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  Christ Alone

  That 2nd talk was given in Sydney during the international convention. Of course it could've been a manuscript that he read at multiple conventions.
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  Have you met anyone on the Governing Body?

  by Christ Alone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted on another thread about a couple of my experiences of meeting the governing body while i was in brooklyn.

  i wanted to see if anyone else had any experiences along these same lines.

  i met most of the ones that were current during the 2001-2003 years.

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  I don't think that's a hijack, perfect1. Personally, I believe that they believe it 100%. They all have delusions of grandeur. And because of this I think they truly believe that they are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. I think they hide their minds from the true history and chalk it up to belief that the light got brighter. They believe that they are Jehovahs chosen people and that he deals with them directly. They don't have to feel guilty about any policy or decision that they make because it was not them that made it, it was Jehovah. If a mistake is made, well it was Jehovah that allowed it for a specific reason.

  That's how I feel about it. I know alot think that they are secular and KNOW that they are cult leaders and that they are merely a publishing company. But in my experience, I just didn't see that myself. There is too much that goes into being a GB member. They are constantly working/teaching. Every Monday - Wednesday a GB member does morning worship at bethel. They go and teach all over the world. They are not JUST involved in business practices, real estate, etc. When they teach you can hear that they believe it. When you talk to them, you hear that they believe it. They did seem to have a love of the other witnesses.

  Of course I could be wrong. You have to understand that while I was with them I believed it 100% myself. So maybe I read into it and believed what I wanted to believe. That's definitely a possibility. But I just can't see them pulling all of this off while knowing that it was a crock.